# How to know if a Revit family document is a Shared Family with Dynamo without open the file and look properties panel
**URL:** https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346
**Category:** Developers
**Tags:** revit, python, dynamo
**Created:** [October 6, 2023, 8:24am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346 "2023-10-06T08:24:26Z")
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### Author:  [@RubenVivancos](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/RubenVivancos)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 8:24am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/1 "2023-10-06T08:24:27Z")
How to know if a Revit family document is a Shared Family with Dynamo without open the file and look properties panel. I know how to get the file information like revit version, date modified, file size but is possible to query more in deep what is in the family document .rfa?
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### Author:  [@sovitek](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/sovitek)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 8:41am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/2 "2023-10-06T08:41:41Z")
Hi Ruben…for family is shared something here maybe…
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### Author:  [@RubenVivancos](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/RubenVivancos)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 8:46am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/3 "2023-10-06T08:46:22Z")
> [@sovitek](#):
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> for family is shared
thanks what package is this? I thought it is clockwork but I do not see it my Dynamo version
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### Author:  [@sovitek](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/sovitek)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 8:48am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/4 "2023-10-06T08:48:21Z")
arhh sorry …Collect families is from clockwork, family properties is from Genius Loci
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### Author:  [@RubenVivancos](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/RubenVivancos)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 9:16am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/6 "2023-10-06T09:16:14Z")
> [@sovitek](#):
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> Hi Ruben…for family is shared something here maybe…
I would like to get the family as document but not the family already loaded in the project, and yes this is getting the information that I was asking in the family
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### Author:  [@sovitek](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/sovitek)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 9:29am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/7 "2023-10-06T09:29:04Z")
allright if i understand its a family content you will check on ? not loaded into project in thate case the only option is BG open i guess or use birdtool multiplayer and write these things to a excel
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### Author:  [@RubenVivancos](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/RubenVivancos)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 10:42am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/8 "2023-10-06T10:42:57Z")
yes, so if needed to open in the background how to make this work is the question then
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### Author:  [@sovitek](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/sovitek)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/9 "2023-10-06T11:05:55Z")
here is a fast exemple…here with rhyttm BG open you could made it so it export these information out to excel in these runs as well, but probably better with birdtool and then export to excel in these runs… if you have many families you will run on…
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### Author:  [@RubenVivancos](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/RubenVivancos)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 11:18am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/10 "2023-10-06T11:18:13Z")
> [@sovitek](#):
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> here is a fast exemple…here with rhyttm BG open you could made it so it export these information out to excel in these runs as well, but probably better with birdtool and then export to excel in these runs… if you have many families you will run on…
I understand your result is about nested families in that family document but not the family document itself. I think this thing in Revit API goes in the direction: [OwnerFamily Property](https://www.revitapidocs.com/2022/95b303dc-1569-492d-6863-fbe49f6189b0.htm)
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### Author:  [@sovitek](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/sovitek)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 11:38am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/11 "2023-10-06T11:38:50Z")
Thats great dont know what your mean, but could you show your solution ??? how you get the parameter is shared with BG open the family??
But just for info that parameter belong to the family itself thats why, try do it manuelly in a family document then you can see what i mean…
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### Author:  [@RubenVivancos](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/RubenVivancos)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/12 "2023-10-06T14:44:32Z")
I think that node of family document from document is new, does not exist from Revit 2019 and later I believe. I use python to try to resolve this question as I do not find the way to achieve it with nodes
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### Author:  [@jacob.small](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/jacob.small)
#### Post date: [October 6, 2023, 5:14pm UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/13 "2023-10-06T17:14:48Z")
I recommend doing it with the active family document and bulk processing with Bird Tools Multiplayer instead of fighting background opening. It’s easier and more stable.
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### Author:  [@sovitek](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/sovitek)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2023, 4:16am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-to-know-if-a-revit-family-document-is-a-shared-family-with-dynamo-without-open-the-file-and-look-properties-panel/94346/14 "2023-10-07T04:16:07Z")
> [@jacob.small](#):
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> It’s easier and more stable.
totally agree 😉 thats best
@RubenVivancos probably you are right cant remember when it comes guees it was 2020…but you actuelly dont need that for get Shared parameter from the family, becoarse it isnt a family document parameter, but belong to the family