# How can I rotate (or flip) a Revit family instance during or after placement?

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**Created:** [August 18, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-can-i-rotate-or-flip-a-revit-family-instance-during-or-after-placement/505 "2014-08-18T15:31:49Z")\
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**Author:** ![Havard\_Vasshaug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9fc348/32.png) [@Havard\_Vasshaug](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/Havard_Vasshaug)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-can-i-rotate-or-flip-a-revit-family-instance-during-or-after-placement/505/1 "2014-08-18T15:31:49Z")

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I’ve been trying to figure out how to control the rotation of Revit Families created with Dynamo. Transforms and Rotate nodes only seem to work on Dynamo geometry and not Revit Family Instances. I’d rather not introduce Rotation parameters to the families due to ref.plane issues, etc. (I know it can be solved with nesting, but yeah…)

Any clues?

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**Author:** ![Dimitar\_Venkov](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.dynamobim.com/dimitar_venkov/32/2068_2.png) [@Dimitar\_Venkov](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/Dimitar_Venkov)\
**Post date:** [August 18, 2014, 9:52pm UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-can-i-rotate-or-flip-a-revit-family-instance-during-or-after-placement/505/2 "2014-08-18T21:52:48Z")

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What kind of family are you trying to rotate? I remember there was a post in the old forum about rotating families:

[http://autodeskvasari.com/forum/topics/rotate-generic-family-with-dynamo](http://autodeskvasari.com/forum/topics/rotate-generic-family-with-dynamo)

and some more info here:

[http://dynamobim.org/forums/topic/rotate-generic-family-with-dynamo/](http://dynamobim.org/forums/topic/rotate-generic-family-with-dynamo/)

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**Author:** ![jostein\_olsen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/forum.dynamobim.com/jostein_olsen/32/8570_2.png) [@jostein\_olsen](https://forum.dynamobim.com/u/jostein_olsen)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 5:51am UTC](https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/how-can-i-rotate-or-flip-a-revit-family-instance-during-or-after-placement/505/3 "2014-08-19T05:51:09Z")

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I know you wanted to stay away from rotational parameters inside the family, but I’ve found this one quite sturdy:

> **[ROTATION RIGS THAT DO NOT USE THE ANGLUAR DIMENSION](http://therevitcomplex.blogspot.com/2012/04/rotation-rigs-that-do-not-use-angluar.html)**
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> REVIT ROTATION RIGS THAT DO NOT USE THE ANGLUAR DIMENSION What if I said the following, “you will never need to use the angular dimensio...

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